Honestly — I Don’t Really Care If He Tweets From The Courthouse…

I do think the able Judge Matsumoto ought to know about it, though — given her earlier partial gag order — as to his media interactions, around the courthouse. And it is absolutely certain that he wants the media to cover these tweets. The “Cmon gimme dat verdict” in particular looks to be aimed at the jury — in the hopes that they might overhear court-gallery dwellers mention it, or even court staff, as they walk in this morning.

I do think is relevant, to the promises he earlier made to the court — and therefore should be part of the sentencing report.

Thankfully, soon enough, it will be over — one way or another. The jury worked past 5:30 last night, so it may well be they hope to conclude today, on Thursday — or Friday latest.

I don’t think the length of deliberations begins to look good for Mr. Shkreli until we reach at least 10 days of solid deliberations, with no verdict.

And then it only looks good for a mistrial by deadlock.

We are a whole continent away from that sort of territory, going into Thursday. And coming out of it, if we push on to Friday. We shall see.

Feel free to fill up the comment box, one and all!



99 thoughts on “Honestly — I Don’t Really Care If He Tweets From The Courthouse…

  1. FTD says:

    I am not a legal professional, I start my thoughts on this trial with this simple disclaimer for the new readers to this comment section.

    If I had the life of someone in my hands, I would definitely be going over everything fairly carefully. Everyone freaking out over 4 days or how many days it is, you shouldn’t. This is a man’s life in the jury’s hands. Whether we like or despise the individual does not factor in this case.

    What factors in this case is simple: Is this man guilty? Does he deserve to go to prison for these crimes? If he is guilty what should the sentence be? It is questions like these that we must ponder before we bring down the gavel.

    The media is clearly clearly spoiled now in the age of 24-7 social media. Thinking a trial like this should be done in one day, it is rather symbolic of who we are as a nation. A nation that expects everything at the *ready* & if it isn’t? The answer must be incompetence/stupidity or laziness.

    The jury should send a note to the media saying :

    “Dear Media, we are assessing the crimes of a human being, this is not Law and Order SUV, crimes will not be wrapped up in a hour (time permitting not included commercials) We would appreciate if you could be patient in this complex legal decision. If you were in our shoes, we would expect you to take the same care & precision that we are during this trial.

    Thank you,
    The Jury”

    As Baretta said “You can take that to the bank”

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      • condor says:

        I think given the way this client behaves… punitive billing is in order. Bill through the nap; from the moment you wake up angry about the inane things he does to undermine your good advice… to when you finally nod off at night.

        This is satire, not a serious billing practice — by the way.


  2. billythekid9919 says:

    From the files of: you couldn’t make this up if you tried…

    Shkreli who has imploded every hedge fund he touched is tweeting financial advice while waiting the jury verdict of his securities fraud trial…

    Liked by 1 person

  3. FTD says:

    Now that I have your attention, consider the case of Lawrence RJ Hossinfeffer. He was facing 8000 years, he served not even a year.



    • condor says:

      Facts are stubborn things. I don’t recall her threatening people’s families. That’s in the entirely undisputed evidence here. In writing, by the defendant.

      In addition, she was 17 — a minor at the time she texted her boyfriend. In that tragic case, her texts (it is alleged) caused his suicide. Those facts — bear no relation to Marty’s. I cannot even begin to recount the number of ways in which Mr. Shkreli — a 30 something adult throughout the fraud period — is different, and more calculating than this kid (an idiotic, and apparently uncaring kid — but a kid, just the same) was.

      We shall see — but facts… as I say — are stubborn things. And comparing these two cases is like handing a fish… a bicycle — just to see what happens. Not much.


      • al says:

        I think I just heard she gets to do her time during the appeal process, so she gets to go home and may not ever go to prison or something.

        Liked by 1 person

    • billythekid9919 says:

      {warning, the following is sarcasm}
      I’m infuriated you would use such a sexist word… do you even know what it means? I’m so much smarter than you and everyone in the world:…

      Definition of cuck
      : to punish by the cucking stool

      Cucking stools or ducking stools were chairs formerly used for punishment of disorderly women, scolds, and dishonest tradesmen in England, Scotland, and elsewhere. The cucking-stool was a form of wyuen pine (“women’s punishment”) as referred to in Langland’s Piers Plowman (1378).


  4. bmartinmd says:

    Hmmm. I wouldn’t put it past Shkreli to be the source of this speculation, completely violating the judge’s order not to interact with the media in and around the courthouse.

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      • aldt440 says:

        I’m not sure why you used the word spinster or if you even know what it means… Quite frankly, I’m pretty outraged that you would use such a sexist and derogatory word in modern times. There’s enough drama on here already.

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      • condor says:

        I take yours altdt440… as humor…

        And I read FTD’s term as akin to “spin-meister”– or spin-ster for short.

        I get it — and I know you did too!


        “Gimme dat guilty verdict!” –that will be the header image, when we hear!


      • billythekid9919 says:

        Also, “lighten up Francis” (name that movie)

        DoucheTroll didn’t check the etymology of the term…

        “Strictly in reference to those who spin, spinster also was used of **both sexes** (compare webster, baxter, brewster) and so a double-feminine form emerged, spinstress “a female spinner” (1640s), which by 1716 also was being used for “maiden lady.” Related: Spinsterhood.”

        Maybe get off your high horse DoucheTroll. You’re not “helping educate anyone”.

        You owe FTD (and the world) an apology.

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      • aldt440 says:

        Merriam Webster Definition of spinster:

        1. a woman whose occupation is to spin;

        2. a archaic: an unmarried woman of gentle family; an unmarried woman and especially one past the common age for marrying;

        3. a woman who seems unlikely to marry.

        Dictionary.com Definition:

        1.Disparaging and Offensive – A woman still unmarried beyond the usual age of marrying;

        2.Chiefly Law – A woman who has never married;

        3.A woman whose occupation is spinning.

        Cambridge Definition:

        A woman who is not married, esp. a woman who is no longer young and seems unlikely ever to marry

        Note: This word is likely to be offensive except if it is used about people in the past.

        Oxford Dictionary:

        An unmarried woman, typically an older woman beyond the usual age for marriage.


        The development of the word spinster is a good example of the way in which a word acquires strong connotations to the extent that it can no longer be used in a neutral sense. From the 17th century the word was appended to names as the official legal description of an unmarried woman: Elizabeth Harris of London, Spinster. This type of use survives today in some legal and religious contexts. In modern everyday English, however, spinster cannot be used to mean simply โ€˜unmarried womanโ€™; it is now always a derogatory term, referring or alluding to a stereotype of an older woman who is unmarried, childless, prissy, and repressed.


    • condor says:

      The way it is reported by Ms. Saul lacks… credibility.

      Overheard jurors?! They enter and exit out of public view, via a private undisclosed entrance — per Judge Matsumoto’s earlier order.

      So we are to believe that despite many a “press interest” trial in this building, the court staff (federal law enforcement officers all) are leaking favorable information about the wildly reviled Mr. Shkreli?!

      Color me incredulous.

      Yes — this is a Shkreli troll — or Martin himself … just making sh!t up — again!


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      • bmartinmd says:

        Source is reportedly wild speculation from sketch artist.

        Liked by 1 person

      • condor says:

        Ooh — nice dot-connecting!

        And hilarious… it’s like a hot house over in the overflow courtroom (the media pen).

        Like a Petri dish — for rumor and innuendo. . .


      • condor says:

        It means… only that a sketch artist, likely friendly to defense, told a photog… that they were guessing something.

        There is zero — zip — nada — even remotely sourced to inside the jury’s deliberation.

        So — as Billy guessed — it is likely that the person writing a book helped transmit the innuendo, in order to pass time in the overflow courtroom.

        The involved rumor mongers were admonished by the court.

        Again — no juror has said a word about what is actually going on.

        We’ve had three questions — and that’s it.

        Hope this helps, al.



      • billythekid9919 says:

        Not only does she cross from journalist to author and become part of the story, but (just as Capote) she’s trying to spice up the story to help book sales. Quality. I hope journalism employers are taking note. This one might lack some integrity to simply tell the true story. (Allegedly)

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      • condor says:

        Yep — she’s trying to “start some mess, Zed…” (name the flick!)… to sell the book.

        That is reasonable… and probable.


      • condor says:

        Original “Men in Black” –Will Smith speaking… one for me. Let’s keep score — we are tied at one to one. You got me on “Stranger Calls” yesterday. Had to Google it!


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    • condor says:

      I think R West is… the other side of the story: R West sees confusion where I see clarity; sees sympathy where I see… cunning. Quotes law from other Circuits, where I think the law in the Second Circuit is both clearly instructed — and controlling.

      In sum — he *may* represent Mr. Shkreli’s now fading hopes.

      But in my mind, a troll is someone who posts things they themselves don’t believe — just for the hell of it. And to annoy others.

      I don’t see him that way — and I always welcome well sourced, “minority reports” on the law.

      So all views are welcome here!

      Let us presume good faith (if in our view, mistaken) opinion animates our fellow commenters.

      Alright — with my fair balance checked off… and to quote a malevolent lunatic, now “gimme dat eight Counts a’ guilty verdict!”

      Namaste, Mr. Rhymes!

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      • billythekid9919 says:

        We have been rather lucky on the troll count. R. West (who I can only assume is Batman’s kin) seems to be a straight shooter. But far be it from me to stand in the way of a tussle that I’m not involved in directly… let’s get it on!

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  5. FTD says:

    R West, Finish this sentence : Martin looks like he won’t be convicted of anything, a deadlock may be coming. Oh wait….

    a) Pink Lemonade is mighty fine in the summertime
    b) Domo Arigato Mr Roboto
    c) I am not sure why it costs so much for pay per view
    d) This is some scooby doo shit right here


  6. R West says:

    I don’t think the jury wants to put him away for a long time with hardened criminals… maybe 6 to 12 months in prison camp would be okay with them. But since they don’t have anything minor to convict him on and he’s looking at serving years, there’s a good chance he won’t be convicted of anything. Seven women on the jury will have some sympathy for guy who looks like a young kid. Or they may bail and say it’s a deadlock. Oh wait … Judge told the jury not to consider the possible sentence … so they’ll ignore it … sure!

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